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Well i feel stupid now... the tilt max setting on page three is for device tilt... how far you need to tilt your device to achieve max speed... saw it on a youtube video this morning from a 15 yr old kid giving a tutorial on his iPad... tried it on my Droid Bionic and yupp... that's the deal... they should label it "device tilt sensitivity" instead of just "tilt max"... or maybe give us a complete user guide... or put it in your video tutorials ... or get on your own damn forum and start sorting out some of these problems instead of using all of us as your guinea pigs with our time and money

1.4mile (2.25kilometer) World Record AR.Drone 2.0 long range flight
December 16th 2012.................YouTube Link here

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maxedout wrote:

So can anyone confirm if adjusting the max angle to the max solved this issue? I have not experienced this problem but would be really upset to see my new toy crash and burn if there is something I can do to help prevent it.

THAT MAKES IT WORSE !!!!!!!!!!

The max angle basically sets how much the drone will tilt.

This basically means you are setting it's max speed.

The high-angle motor-cutoff CANNOT be changed. It is fairly low, like 45degrees. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it's only like 35degrees.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's 30°

1.4mile (2.25kilometer) World Record AR.Drone 2.0 long range flight
December 16th 2012.................YouTube Link here

29 (edited by Tabishsyed 05-22-2012 13:23:17)

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b00mb00mchuck wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if it's 30°


lol

They should do 2 things:

-Increase whatever the amount is by like 15°.
-Add an option in Freeflight to disable Angle Too High Auto-Cutoff

With outdoor hull, the blades hit something during a collision so it can simply rely on that instead of the angle too.

That way our drones won't fall out of the sky because of a wind gust and/or sudden deceleration.

30 (edited by mgt 05-22-2012 16:31:12)

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Tabishsyed wrote:

Add an option in Freeflight to disable Angle Too High Auto-Cutoff

and an experienced pilot can attempt to fix the situation manually by trying to control the roll, and most likely fail tongue in any case it is better than watching helplessly a $300+upgrades meteor fall from the sky.

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This just happened to me.  I was flying with the indoor hull for awhile with no issues.  So, I decided to try the outdoor hull.  Pushed the altitude.  Little wind gust tilts the drone.  Engines cutoff, and the thing falls like a rock!!  EMERGENCY HIGH ANGLE CUTOFF.  What?!?!  Luckily, I was over a grassy park and didn't suffer any damages.  Now, I know to be more careful, but this is LAME!!  There's no way a total engine cut can be better than the drone at least TRYING to right itself!!

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SoundMessage wrote:

This just happened to me.  I was flying with the indoor hull for awhile with no issues.  So, I decided to try the outdoor hull.  Pushed the altitude.  Little wind gust tilts the drone.  Engines cutoff, and the thing falls like a rock!!  EMERGENCY HIGH ANGLE CUTOFF.  What?!?!  Luckily, I was over a grassy park and didn't suffer any damages.  Now, I know to be more careful, but this is LAME!!  There's no way a total engine cut can be better than the drone at least TRYING to right itself!!

I agree ... PARROT you really need to fix this issue or please explain yourselves why not?

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I wonder exactly how it determines the angle. One would think there is a sensor in there somewhere. Most likely a weight in a tubular shaped housing. The weight touches the side  and it trips a switch. Disconnect the wires to the switch and problem solved.

Pinball machines use something like this for the Tilt feature.

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iPhone 4  - 5.1 OS
Drone Ace app using 60Beat controller
Amped SR1000 wifi repeater

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peasaro wrote:

PARROT you really need to fix this issue or please explain yourselves why not?

I agree that some sort of explanation from PARROT would be most welcome. It's one thing to have a big red emergency button that kills power (it's flying straight into a group of children or something) but quite another to kill power just because the drone has achieved an extreme angle not-of-its-own-making. So what?

Help us out Parrot, or give us guidelines for settings that minimize the possibility that a simple gust of wind can cause our drones to drop like rocks. hmm

AR.Drone 2.0 FW 2.2.3
iPad 1stGen WiFi-only iOS 5.1.1

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peasaro wrote:

Help us out Parrot, or give us guidelines for settings that minimize the possibility that a simple gust of wind can cause our drones to drop like rocks. hmm

YES PLEASE!!

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darwin-t wrote:

I wonder exactly how it determines the angle. One would think there is a sensor in there somewhere. Most likely a weight in a tubular shaped housing. The weight touches the side  and it trips a switch. Disconnect the wires to the switch and problem solved.

Pinball machines use something like this for the Tilt feature.

The drone uses it's own internal gyro and accelerometer to judge angle... you can't just disconnect that... then it won't know what is level or how far to tilt in relation to the commands being given... not as simple as the pinball tilt theory... everything is on printed circuit boards so there's no "disconnecting wires" going on in there

1.4mile (2.25kilometer) World Record AR.Drone 2.0 long range flight
December 16th 2012.................YouTube Link here

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b00mb00mchuck wrote:

The drone uses it's own internal gyro and accelerometer to judge angle... you can't just disconnect that...


Never mind then.    big_smile

Thanks.

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iPhone 4  - 5.1 OS
Drone Ace app using 60Beat controller
Amped SR1000 wifi repeater

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If I fly to high / out of range will it cut off the engines or auto stabilize / try to get lower to establish a connetion?

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It will auto hover and drift in the wind... trying to get directly under it helps get signal back

1.4mile (2.25kilometer) World Record AR.Drone 2.0 long range flight
December 16th 2012.................YouTube Link here

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Have you ever noticed that whenever we ask Parrot to help explain someting in the programing of the Drone that the mods dissapear, especially when we are critical of the programing.  I wonder if they are trained to avoid conflict in the forums such as this.  Or maybe the mods are really just Drone 4.0's that we are talking to.

iPhone 4 IOS 6
Firmware 2.1.12 and never going to change...EVER

41 (edited by b00mb00mchuck 06-15-2012 19:18:40)

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And every answer they give is... " we are aware of it... it will be addressed in some distant future update " but they will never give a normal, human answer and deal with their customers on an even, level playing field... they have a weird company structure where they love to be the first to introduce something but could care less about the follow through and customer support... that's why so many hobby sites refuse to deal with their products ... and even brookstone has changed a policy because of them... if you buy a drone from brookstone and walk out in the parking lot to try it out... and it doesn't even work... the lights don't even come on... you're on your own... as soon as you slice the tape on a parrot product at brookstone you cannot return it to brookstone... you can't even walk back in the store 15 minutes later and exchange it for a working unit... they have way too many return/exchange attempts on the drone 2.0... it's been a huge headache for them as two separate managers have explained to me... i still can't figure them out and what they have against making real money... they could easily be making three times what they do now with a better reputation and basic customer service ... but that doesn't seem to be the point with them... oh well ... who knows

1.4mile (2.25kilometer) World Record AR.Drone 2.0 long range flight
December 16th 2012.................YouTube Link here

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b00mb00mchuck wrote:

It will auto hover and drift in the wind... trying to get directly under it helps get signal back


Which is why "straight up" is a bad idea......

AR Drone 2.0  2.2.6 Firmware
iPhone 4  - 5.1 OS
Drone Ace app using 60Beat controller
Amped SR1000 wifi repeater

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You got that right... if you lose it straight up there ain't no way to get any closer to it... i fly mine away for about 20 meters and then climb

1.4mile (2.25kilometer) World Record AR.Drone 2.0 long range flight
December 16th 2012.................YouTube Link here

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b00mb00mchuck wrote:

And every answer they give is... " we are aware of it... it will be addressed in some distant future update " but they will never give a normal, human answer and deal with their customers on an even, level playing field... they have a weird company structure where they love to be the first to introduce something but could care less about the follow through and customer support... that's why so many hobby sites refuse to deal with their products ... and even brookstone has changed a policy because of them... if you buy a drone from brookstone and walk out in the parking lot to try it out... and it doesn't even work... the lights don't even come on... you're on your own... as soon as you slice the tape on a parrot product at brookstone you cannot return it to brookstone... you can't even walk back in the store 15 minutes later and exchange it for a working unit... they have way too many return/exchange attempts on the drone 2.0... it's been a huge headache for them as two separate managers have explained to me... i still can't figure them out and what they have against making real money... they could easily be making three times what they do now with a better reputation and basic customer service ... but that doesn't seem to be the point with them... oh well ... who knows

I ran into Brookstone's absolutely zero return policy with my apparently defective unit.  Although, pressing them on the phone (I ordered from Brookstone.com), they accepted a return because it was "defective on arrival."  Somehow, I got the sense that I got really lucky on that one.

So, because of Brookstone's customer un-friendly policy, I ordered my replacement from Apple.com.  It's backordered, but I am willing to wait knowing that if I get another defective unit, I can send it back to Apple with no hassles.

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I had the same problem drone cut out at 30ft because of 'too much angle emergency' luckily I was flying over grass and the drone was fine but this feature is really lame. Also I am not convinced that it was wind that caused the problem as there was minimal wind, I think it was just caused by flying at speed. Can Parrot comment on whether this is an issue that can be fixed with a software update or is this a hardware problem that is here to stay?

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Drone Ace has a Relaxed mode which gradually slows it down.

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Amped SR1000 wifi repeater

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I did once plug-in a battery and carry my Drone outside, at which time I noticed the "high angle emergency" message was displaying. I think I had to unplug/replug the battery to reset it.

Could finding the "Death Angle" be as simple as plugging in a battery, maybe asserting Flat Trim, and then slowly raising one side of the Drone until this message appears?

AR.Drone 2.0 FW 2.2.3
iPad 1stGen WiFi-only iOS 5.1.1

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Hiflyer wrote:

I did once plug-in a battery and carry my Drone outside, at which time I noticed the "high angle emergency" message was displaying. I think I had to unplug/replug the battery to reset it.

Could finding the "Death Angle" be as simple as plugging in a battery, maybe asserting Flat Trim, and then slowly raising one side of the Drone until this message appears?

I think that will suffice.  Also, no need to unplug/plug the battery after a high angle emergency, just hit take off and it will fly again.

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When just holding the drone, it has to get to about a 90 degree angle. I have no idea what angle it is when it's flying and the gyros are going and stuff.

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iPhone 4  - 5.1 OS
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Amped SR1000 wifi repeater

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I would just love it if they released the source code for the drone, and allowed those of us who actually program for a living tweak the code.  It would be really cool to be able to re-program certain feature of the drone in order to allow for advanced flying.  I would pay extra money to get the IDE in order to develop code for the AR Drone, instead of just using an API set of commands in order to fly the drone.